I noticed the Youtube Hall Of Shame topic was deleted since it was posted during the database rollback in October, but I would like to warn people about two potential haters on Youtube. Both are different from other haters in the way that they both use Music 2000, meaning they will not bash you for using Music 2000 but unlike the 190-200 Music generator series users on this board as well as the other additional 100+ on Youtube, Dehmier and Kallaye will not hesitate to diss everyone's work, even if load of time was put into it. Both have made their own good tracks, but to be honest, while they're good, they're not at a higher level than TIMGUL users in average. They're just good, like a lot of people here. However, they totally lack the good manners pretty much every other Music 2000 users have toward other people who make music for free:
Dehmier:
-Will diss the person's work based on his own musical tastes, no matter how much work was put in the song. If he likes your song, you're safe. Else, prepare for a derogatory comment toward your hard work. Altough generally his comments will be slightly less harsh than Kallaye's, the following point will happen:
-If you pm him complaining about his attitude he'll tell you you overeact and that he just gave his honest thoughts about the songs and that he no longer want to ever deal with you, then he will block you and then the following will happen:
-Once you got a problem with his comments and blocked him, he will not hesitate to call you names in other people's videos you comment in (see picture attached to this post for a blatant example, or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8wA5BGiQeE providing the user won,t delete the comment)
Kallaye1 (UPDATE (11/16/08) Note that this issue is pretty much resolved, as there are proof that this member stopped doing the following. However the information will remain as further reference about what to not do to prevent such forum topic to happen in retaliation)
-He appears to diss people based on their musical tastes too, noticing on almost every DnB videos he posted good comments. But it wasn,t the case for my trance videos. Unlike Dehmier he'll usually throw insults as well such as "This is too bad, go home xlibman!!!" and if you decide to comment back he'll send you some hate message via PM claiming he's no hater. Yet he will still continue dissing his work and brag about how his work is much better and last about 20 minutes long a song, while in fact, despite being good, his songs last the usual lenght of electronic music and not be much better than stuff by Pillage, Quade, etc...
-I did not got any further trouble with this user besides hate comments and hate mail. No comments against me via other people videos (yet)
As for now I got the first user blocked on Youtube. Just to tell you, if these two users ever sign up on these boards and start posting hate comments or causing shit, I'm banning their username, e-mail and hostname. If you find a bad comment by them I recommend you let them know your say via video comments or even PM/user channel if you desire and block them now. They will not destroy our alerady small community of courteous users. When criticizing people work people should have good manner. It only take a few trolls to kill a community as small as the Music Generator series. One hater would suffice to do it if nothing was done about it.
It's unneccessary to bash people work with throwing insults and without providing any suggestions. There's a big difference between flaming and constructive criticism. Also, while they may not ruin their reputation among Youtube users, they might ruin their reputation as a Music 2000 user. You may be good at Music 2000, you may make good songs with it, but at least RESPECT others! We alerady got to deal with FL Studio fanboys who bash everything made with Cubase, Reason and Music X000 during summertime.






